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The $1,000 Pro-Slaughter Challenge

13 Jan

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So we need horse slaughter right here is the good old USA? According to those who want horse slaughter brought back, opening the slaughterhouses in Oklahoma, Washington or Nevada will solve all our problems; the horse population will stabilize, horses will once again sell for a minimum of $1,000 each and older horses will have a peaceful, quiet ending to their lives. It will be different this time. The USDA Inspectors, backed up by the tough guideline of the AVMA, will slap the hands of anyone who mistreats the old, crippled, lame horses that have no place to call home. Is that right?

Ms. Sue "Low Fat" Wallis

Horse meat is safe to eat because Sue Wallis says so, and she’s a picture of health! 

If we don’t slaughter 170,000 horses this year, we’ll have 360,000 that will need to be slaughtered next year. (Dang, only 130,000 were slaughtered last year. we better catch up!)

This is what the pro-slaughter folks really believe? Sadly, yes. Now I’m going to call you out. This is basically the old, “Put up or shut up,” except I’m going to pay you money to put up. Heck, I’m in the horse rescue business, so I gotta’ be rich.

I offered this deal before and not a single person stepped forward, but on the basis of being “fair and balanced,” just like Fox News, I will lay this out one more time. This is the challenge:

All I’m asking for is one single, logical, meaningful reason for commercial horse slaughter for human consumption. Email me in the comment section, email me privately, tell me if you want your name used or if you want to be anon. Make your statement, backed up with actual facts, and if you can present an indisputable, logical reason for commercial horse slaughter for human consumption, I will personally wave your flag and agree with you in public, plus I will give you $1,000.

$1,000 to the winner!

I will challenge your logic, I will present facts from my point of view, but I will be exceedingly fair. If you win, if your logic can only lead to one conclusion – that horse slaughter is necessary – then I will not only apologize, but I will pay you $1,000 of my own money.

I cannot be more fair than that.

Somewhere in the two hundred plus comments on the last blog, “I Quit!,” are several made by those who tried as hard as they can to present a reason for sending horses to slaughter. The vast majority were a senseless waste of computer time, however a rare few were written by those who actually believed what they were saying.  

Typically the majority consisted of statements like, “They is thousands of horses starving that need slaughtering or they will die in PAIN and SUFFER!” “I have 30 horses and I can’t feed them all so I’d rather send them to slaughter than see them starve.”

Not only stupid, but ignorant. Enlighten us with your wisdom, shower us with your knowledge, give us a true measure of a highly intelligent reason for horse slaughter.

“I can make $200 selling some old nag to the killer-buyer, but if I have to have a vet out to put her down, it’s gonna cost me $1,800 and I still have no place to bury her!”

Sorry, that doesn’t qualify.

Sen. "Booger" Burns

“I support horse slaughter because the meat PAC paid me $50,000.” Nope, sorry Senator, that doesn’t work either.

If you truly, sincerely believe you have a solid reason for horse slaughter, present it to us. Let me tell it to the anti-slaughter side. We will rant and rave, but seriously, if you can convince me, the money is yours.

On the other hand, if the pro-slaughter side cannot come up with a reason, then we all know that money is the ONLY motivating factor and that there is no other reason, none. We can end the discussion as it relates to everything else and focus on the money issue.

To which I will ask as a preliminary part of our side, which is worth more per year to the US economy – a live horse or a dead one?

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142 responses to “The $1,000 Pro-Slaughter Challenge

  1. chris

    January 21, 2012 at 5:42 am

    O.K. I’m going for round two. This time i’m useing a personal deal. Don’t think of this as a someone took a free horse and now dont know what to do with it. I’m not asking for help it is a reason slaughter is needed. Back in August at the local horse sale a horse came in the ring and no one bid on it, finally the auctioneer said will anyone take it. So i took him. The deal is his front left leg, right above the hoof that joint, was at one time broke? I think, or badly hurt. It is healed but still alot bigger than the joints, and he walks fine. The thing is he is only a two year old, healthy and in good shape. I dont think you would want to break him to ride because doing that might rebreak the joint. Then its back to square one. He is still a stud. I guess i could use him to breed, but all that would do is help with the overbreeding we have now. So i’m going to have him gelded, but then what feed him the next 25 yrs til he’s old and worth putting down. The point i’m trying to make is you don’t think slaughter is the answer, but what about horses like this. They have no use other then a hay burner. The anti-slaughter talk about all the young horse going to slaughter with there whole life to live, so putting him down now don’t seem like the thing to do. After all he walks fine and is healthy. The thing is like you’ve stated before horse slaughter never end, but in a way it did. Horses like mine can’t be shipped to slaughter, because of transportation to slaughter laws crossing the boarders. He would get rejected. With slaughter in the US he would be able to be shipped, or a least a better chance. Same with the blind horse, before the ban in the US blind horses where shipped to slaughter, now you can’t get no one to take then. I be looking forward to your reply.

     
    • Margo Nielsen

      January 22, 2012 at 10:56 am

      For this two year old horse, I would have a vet x-ray the previously broken foot to see if the horse could ever be ridden. In some cases it’s just a matter of a horse being able to take lighter weights like children and small adults.

      If not, and he’s sound for moving without carrying weight, I would consider training him to drive. And if you don’t want to keep him for that, you can make certain (after he’s gelded) that he is handled to death desensitized find a home that might want to train a horse to drive. You could spend a year or less doing this (vs. 25 years).

      You might even make some of your money back in selling him, as trained horses are still in demand.

       
    • Suzanne Moore

      January 22, 2012 at 11:21 am

      Chris ~ The rules about shipping are the same inside the US as at the border. And all the slaughter plants are run under the same rules. Rejected at one, rejected at another.

      You referred to “putting down” a young horse. WE are not against putting down a young horse that has no chance for a decent life. Whether that applies to THIS horse or not isn’t the point. Sending a horse to slaughter is NOT “putting down” in the normal use of the words. Putting down normally means euthanasia. If you’re not interested in keeping this horse, sorry – you STILL own him a decent death. I don’t care if YOU don’t think he’s “worth putting down” or not, it’s your responsibility to do so.

      You make me sick. Is it going to break you to give this guy a decent death? I don’t think so. We do NOT need slaughter so people like you can dump off their responsibilities to treat a living breathing being the way ANY living breathing being deserves to be treated. UGH!

       
  2. chris

    January 20, 2012 at 4:41 am

    Mr.Finch you’re asking for a logical reason for horse slaughter, right? Well here is my stand on the deal, 6 yrs ago a ban on horse slaughter stopped the slaughter of horses in the US. In the time sense horse welfare has went down hill. The reasons for this has many factors. Now for my point. Horse slaughter was on-going for 30 some years, a way out for those who could no longer take care of their horse, controlling the numbers old, sick, unuseable, untameable and leading to over breeding. The anti-slaughter ban went in effect ( for a lack of better term) overnite. This then caused a decline in the market, then the economy went south causing yet a bigger decline in the market, as a result horses that cant even be given away. But yet overbreeding is still ongoing. Horse rescues have tried to held with the overpopulation, but can only do so much. I feel the need to reopen the slaughter houses. To help decrease the overpopulation. Then to keep this from happening again, pass breeding laws, in return controlling the number of horses, then with the population controlled slaughter will be needed no longer. With the right steps taken anti-slaughter people can close down the need for slaughter, but with the steps not taken slaughter is needed because of a need to overbreed.

     
    • Jerry Finch

      January 20, 2012 at 5:42 am

      Chris – FAIL. Slaughter did NOT stop when the US slaughterhouses closed. While the slaughter propaganda machine wants you to believe this – it is a LIE. You bought that lie and now you actually believe it. This is exactly what I;ve been trying to tell you. Seek the real truth, not what you are spoon fed

       
      • chris

        January 20, 2012 at 7:51 pm

        You are correct slaughter did not stop. It only stopped in the US. The cost of trucking the horses to Canada or Mexico has impacted the market more so then any thing. The fact is the anti-slaughter movement has had five years to come up with a plan as what to do with the unwanted horses. The only two thing you guys have is give then to a horse rescue or put them down. Like stated in my first reply its a good idea but not working, cause there full, people dont want to give there horse away,ect. Put your horse down dont work because it does cost a fair amount to do that and beside that you still need to bury the body. The real deal is horses are still private property and i have the right to do with them as i see fit.

         
  3. Denise

    January 15, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Hey Keith…when the last three plant were open (2 TX, 1 IL)……THEY STILL SHIPPED TO CANADA AND MEXICO (and they got shipped in horror in the US)! Depends on the KBs and who they are buying for. But you know that, right? Evidently NOT….and where were your posts when the last three were open?.

    The process of HCHS is horrific where ever the end is,

    Slaughter of US equines is continued.

    What is your point? I hardly think you could enlighten Barb3000 (assuming this is the Barb I’ve known for a few years). You sound good until you whine about the “long hauls”…..you are a killer advocate.

    Apologies if I’m incorrect….please advise.

     
  4. Denise

    January 15, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Honestly beginning to feel that these “traditional” meat and livestock raisers that believe the current HCHS system is peachy keen….please give me your farm name, auction and/or buyer so I go out of my way not, repeat, NOT buy your beef, lamb or dairy because if you think doing HCHS for US Equines is OK, god knows what you do in a basically self regulated system for traditional meat and dairy.

     
  5. Repete

    January 14, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    You know this is an endless battle. The same points have been made by others about eating or processing any kind of animal. We will all always have pros and cons on both sides. The real question is this- What do we do? No one can deny that there is a real problem with unwanted horses for many reasons and only compounded by the economy. I don’t have this need for a horse to be slaughtered, and I don’t care if people eat them or not. What I do care about is what is best for the horses and what is practical. Many “if only people would do this or if this law was in place” statements are out there. The only real thing that has happened is a few more rescues have started up and some of those are just as bad as where the horses came from. Until there is some workable plan in place there is no other solution than slaughter. If there was a government funded horse control like animal control, but that would take an exorbitant amount of tax dollars to fund. If there were regulations on breeders, again do you know how much tax money that would take? And how would you regulate unregistered horses breeding? Instead of judging others take a real look at the true problem what is a real solution for the problem? All the blame is put on breeders but if you take the time to look you see that breeders have cut their breeding down, paint horses for example are down by half. But the unwanted horse numbers keep growing. If we stop all quality horse breeding or restrict it too much the quality of the horses will suffer eventually and some breeds may disappear all together. So I challenge you, instead of pointing fingers and ignoring the real problem put that $1000.00 to a good use and find a real solution other than slaughter. Until then I personally would rather see horses slaughtered here under strict regulated conditions than shipped to Mexico to endure that torture or starve to death in a pasture of a man who can no longer feed them and can’t even find someone to give them away to.

     
    • Denise

      January 15, 2012 at 7:59 am

      Hey prince/princess…what ever that ID is…..eith your freaking equine. Shell out the bucks; a pittance in the life of an equines.

      Ain’t no problem, pumpkin….except for the trolls that want a few measly buck to dump and don’t have the guts to be there in the end…..ohhh, and peddling nonquality “beef varieties” to the rest of the world.

       
      • Denise

        January 15, 2012 at 8:01 am

        Excuse me….”freaking euth your equine…”

         
      • Repete

        January 15, 2012 at 1:37 pm

        Yup the same thing goes on here as on every other anti slaughter comment page. As soon as someone makes a valid point the childish nonsense comes out. I have never had an issue taking care of any of my equines needs and that includes euthanizing them when needed. I have also rescued several horses. Calling someone names and telling them to kill their own horse does nothing to solve the problem, it’s childish high-school behavior. We are not talking about horses that need to be put down we are talking about for the most part good or decent horses that have no where to go and are now starving to death in places of people who once could take care of them properly but can no longer afford to now. Or the horses that end up in awful unsafe conditions because someone who really had no clue what it takes to care for a horse got one or five or ten because they were cheap or free.

         
    • Denise

      January 15, 2012 at 7:31 pm

      And you, Repete…have done nothing more than spin more proslaughter spittle.

      There is a plan…take care of the equines you own, don’t overbreed and euth your equine via vet or qualified knacker. HCHS is not euthanasia; it’s a business peddling bad meat to humans.

      The numbers are not going up. (what numbers, btw?) The KBs buy what the plants want…period.

      Your breeding scenario nonsense is ridiculous….considering that equines are not necessary. The only “breed” I see in danger of extermination is the wild equine of Asia and North America. You didn’t mention that.

      USDA and Dr. Tom Lenz say everything is fine in Mexico. They are proslaughter….are you saying they are wrong?

      And I’d rather see equines not slaughtered. Starvation is as bad as slaughter…quit saying one is worse than the other. And slaughter still is available….why are equines starving?

       
      • Repete

        January 15, 2012 at 8:08 pm

        Yes in a perfect world everyone would take care of their own horses properly, but we all know that this is not a perfect world. If anyone is claiming things are ok in Mexico they are wrong I don’t care whose side they are on. And yes there is still slaughter but again if you look at the numbers less than half of the number of horses slaughtered here in the us before the last plants closed down are crossing the borders. And I don’t care what you see but the draft horses of several breeds are already at risk of dissapearing because we don’t have a job for them anymore. The only ones who spill drivel are the ones that think that everyone is just going to all of a sudden become responsible and only breed the highest quality papered horses,and all of those foals will be adopted by responsible people who have money set aside just for that one horses entire life. You all spill the same old lines and I don’t have time for your nonsense any longer. Have fun living in your fantasy world.

         
      • Denise

        January 16, 2012 at 6:44 am

        Repete:

        You don’t know Dr Tom Lenz? You don’t believe the USDA or US Meat Export Federation numbers?

        Try these links:

        http://www.myhorseuniversity.com/node/108

        Notice all the experts on the left side….almost every one of them is proslaughter. This guy is the subject matter expert for the American Horse Council (you know them?…the Farm Bureau of the equine world)

        http://www.avma.org/issues/animal_welfare/unwanted_horses_faq.asp

        The above link should “enlighten” you. I am not a supporter of the AVMA or AAEP. They quibble about specific wording and play games with things like bute and the CBG…IAW they don’t tell the complete truth. Read it; go to the links in their FAQs. COMPREHEND IT.

        They are the ones living in a fantasy land.

         
      • Repete

        January 16, 2012 at 8:04 am

        Denise- I checked out what you had to say and even if those few plants are humane I am sure there are several more plants that are not. But that is beside the point, horses are still enduring 10-12 hour trips without breaks and the cost of shipping them is so high that the horses have to already be close to the border so that does nothing for the unwanted horses who are an additional 10-12 hours from a us border. And on top of that you have spun everything I have been saying to go back to the cons of slaughter and have not answered my original question. What is the answer for the unwanted horses? The fact remains that everyone that worked to get the plants closed did nothing to put a plan in place for the unwanted horses. Closing the plants is just a band-aid for a bigger problem. If we reduce the numbers of unwanted horses there wont be any horses for slaughter. And with that I am done with this silly circus, this whole thing was not someone looking for an answer but just people wanting to have a place to spill the same old crap.

         
      • Jerry Finch

        January 16, 2012 at 8:29 am

        And the person who believes slaughter is necessary actually made an amazing statement – “If we reduce the numbers of unwanted horses there wont be any horses for slaughter.”

        THANK YOU! Finally a pro-slaughter person states a LOGICAL fact.

        Repete – directly from the AVMA website: We do not have reliable statistics on the total number of horses that become unwanted each year. We do know that 90,000 to 100,000 unwanted horses have been sent to slaughter annually, and that the total number of unwanted horses is substantially greater than this.

        Since you made a logical statement, you have the ability to follow this – no reliable statistics, yet the number is “substantially greater” than the number slaughtered? That is a complete FAIL in LOGIC 101. Besides, anyone who has been to an auction knows that killer-buyers outbid this who would have given the horse a safe and secure home.

         
      • Denise

        January 18, 2012 at 4:28 pm

        Repete…

        I didn’t spin ANYTHING…. I gave you links from your own side full of contradictions and statistics that show HCHS SILL EXISTS….why are you complaining?

         
    • Suzanne Moore

      January 15, 2012 at 7:54 pm

      We know the solution – stop making over-breeding and irresponsibility pay. The market will do the rest. I will say this ONE more time – If slaughter is the solution, why are there STILL “UNWANTED” HORSES ALL OVER THE PLACE? We’ve had uninterrupted slaughter since, what, the 1970s. What good has it done, HUH? Slaughter is the PROBLEM!

      You people are just TOO much…………..

       
    • bevkins77

      January 15, 2012 at 9:34 pm

      But it’s okay with you Repete to spend 5 million plus tax dollars a year to slaughter right? Just not okay to spend tax dollars to solve the problems created by greed. Pro’s don’t mind spending the tax dollars if it lines their pockets while the majority just pay eh? I’d much rather see my tax dollars go to solutions that stop greed, prevent cruelty and cease the destruction of our meat industry by stopping toxic meat from being served abroad and certainly prevent it from being served to our children. Breeders have FINALLY started backing down but their statistics also don’t include foals……..so what are the real numbers. I promise you the true ones aren’t being given. Slaughter can’t be made humane for equine, nor was it or will it be regulated properly, nor will the meat be tested properly. It is not financially possible. Good grief we don’t inspect what we have on the market now properly. Falsified documentation on horses does not make meat safe to consume Sir. That is why the EU, Ireland, France and now China are saying not no, but hell no. Give me a flipping break.

       
  6. Keith

    January 14, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    @Barb3000

    I think you are missing my point. I am not a horse hater or lobbyist. I have three horses and my latest one came from a feedlot in Toppenish Washington.

    We can argue wether they go to Canada or Mexico and it would not change the fact that horses go to these countries, somtimes travellling for 2 or more days. There are many reports on this fact. I could send you a number of links if that would help.

    I am for banning horse slaughter permanently in this country. So far the present ban has caused our horses to endure horrendous experiences before being slaughtered. Just beacuase they go to canada does not make it any better or somehow more humane. You could fix all the tax laws you want (and I am for that), but unless you stop them from leaving our country you will have accomplished nothing.

     
    • Suzanne Moore

      January 15, 2012 at 10:10 pm

      Do you actually BELIEVE that every state in the US is closer to DeKalb, Illinois, and Central Texas than to Mexico and Canada? Have you EVER seen a map? Unbelievable. Besides, we were shipping thousands of horses to Mexico and Canada the entire time the plants were operating here. No one seemed to mind then.

      Horses had horrendous experiences riding from Oregon to Kaufman, TX too. Do you know how much closer the slaughter plants are in Alberta, Canada than Central Texas? Try kaufmanzoning.net to see the FOIA pictures of what horses went through being shipped in THIS country.

      Glad you are anti-slaughter, but this notion so many have that the travel times – and the slaughter process itself – were better when they were done here. They were NOT.

       
  7. Patricia Coffman

    January 14, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    My Momma Always Said Stupid Is As Stupid Does!!But they aint no box of chocolates either,man the logic coming out of them I seen some of their comments and lord knows he has his work cut out for him with these idiots and killers of all his creatures!So hard to believe that they really think that horses need to be tortured and abused in such a manner..there is not any Human In Humanity..when a Horse goes to Slaughter and by God please oh lord please never let it happen again possibly in our own backyards..I am a long long time tax payer and never wanted that bill passed along with over 99% of the Country…So what you say Senators?You are going to be looking for a new job come the next election year..and get rid of those so called Humans Sue Wallis and Ken Salazar!!!

     
    • Betty Hirte

      January 15, 2012 at 1:18 pm

      Amen to that,Patrica!

       
  8. Krissy

    January 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Money is not the only reason we need slaughter. Slaughter is needed asap. We need to fill the horses up with bute then ship them to the horse eaters. Once they are all dead or dying, or at least know what happens from eating tainted horse meat… the demand will be over for horse meat. I’m sorry, but as a lot of people say, it’s a necessary evil!
    (Just being silly, obviously anyone wanting horses slaughtered are somehow benefitting from it.)

     
  9. Joyclyn Brodeur

    January 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    I think more people need to be educated about the issue. I never heard of this until 2 years ago and took Western lessons and got on Facebook meeting the owners of horses. I am so upset by the idea that I no longer eat meat of the 4 legged kind. I have bumper stickers that say “Stop the Slaughter” on front and back bumper. I would like to do more to be a voice for the horses. Do you have any suggestions?

     
    • Ruth

      January 15, 2012 at 1:06 am

      Samething happened to me as soon as I found out about horse slaughter I stopped eating any meat, chicken or turkey. I can’t stand the thought now of eating the flesh of an animal. I hate what greed has done to our Country, I want to do more also. I write letters to the editor of the papers, e-mail and phone calls…what else can we do?? 2012 and we still act like this??

       
    • Betty Hirte

      January 15, 2012 at 1:04 pm

      Wrote to your congressmen and senators is something to get the word out. Tell friends,people at work,people on Facebook and even family! I did! I have gottan some people’s attention and got them behind the couse to stop horse slaughter in the US!! That is my suggestions!

       
    • Beth Schang

      January 15, 2012 at 8:17 pm

      Yes, Joyclyn B – please call and write your senators and representatives…the White House, too, and Stand up and demand Congressional support forHR 2966 and S1176 and urge them to pass the American Horse Protection Act. Then be a Voice for the Horse and get your family and friends to do so as well – raise awareness in your community of this.
      (((♥)))

       
  10. Hannah

    January 14, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Haaaa I love this Jerry :p

    But as for horses being turned loose, for those who don’t believe it… it DOES happen, but always has on rare occasions. Just like peopling turning loose exotic pets. It happens, but how often do you find a chimp or a tiger running around your back yard? Not often but I can name cases. People getting tired of them and turning them loose, hoping someone else can figure out that problem. Not animals that escaped, but were actually turned loose. Lol because no one is going to take your aggressive tiger….so just let it eat the town. As someone said, it’s laziness and stupidity. Thinking the won’t get caught. But they do-usually.

    I know it happens because I met a red bay Arabian colt, over 3 years ago who had been turned loose, at a few months old. Slaughter had nothing to do with it, because someone else rescued him, and then offered him for sale for $600 and he went! He wasn’t unwanted, his owners just found it more convenient to dump him. Slaughter won’t fix stupid either…

     
    • Betty Hirte

      January 15, 2012 at 1:16 pm

      I have heard of people turning exotic pets lose and even horses! Sometimes people just don’t realize how dumb it is to own a wild animal! Then instead of trying to find a proper home for the animal,it is turned lose! It also happens to numerous cats and dogs,unfortunely all the time! I personal don’t know of anyone letting a horse run free but I have heard of stories of it happening! I have through horse rescue organizations! Like I said before people do this instead of trying to do the right thing by the horse! More eduaction has to be done to educate people on taking care of animals and what to do if a person can’t (for whatever reason) keep an animal. This is some of the things to work on! Not just with horses but with all animals!

       
  11. Joan Watson

    January 14, 2012 at 9:55 am

    No, I do not believe that what you were saying was that slaughter is the answer. I did not miss the point. You were acknowledging the unwanted horse population and that indeed there is not enough room in the rescues and sanctuaries. Not long ago, I thought that chemical euthanasia was a much kinder approach, but was very quickly educated by several veterinarians and many horse owners who have had their horses euthanized with catastrophic results. I have had several horses euthanized with no problems, but after hearing about the very high number of traumatic deaths from it, I would no longer chance putting a horse through that kind of hell. In the end, I do not want my horse to suffer. I also do not want to put such a large amount of sodium pentobarbital into the ground. That is simply not environmentally safe. I have first hand knowledge that a bullet positioned correctly is very quick and humane. I have not seen a horse die from a captive bolt, so I cannot comment. I just believe that if there is not enough money to save all of these horses, and there is a demand for horse meat or horse byproducts, then the problem has a viable solution in allowing slaughter. I think there should be major regulations in place to stop the inhumanity that has been overlooked in the past, and from what I understand, great strides are being taken to retrofit or build new facilities that will allow for more humane conditions and stringent regulation.

     
    • Odee

      January 14, 2012 at 7:50 pm

      I would disagree that there is no room on Sanctuaries. The BLM, having gone corporate in attitude, is favoring that land for cattle, over horses, when there is indeed plenty of room for both.

      Want to blame someone for loss of habitat and sanctuary land, then point the finger at the cattlemans association.

      Just sayin

       
      • Tanya Geiger

        January 14, 2012 at 8:59 pm

        Again if hay were more affordable the cattleman wouldn’t need to be using the land that the horses are onto graze their cattle. I don’t understand why they don’t charge them to use the land for their cattle though?

         
      • Nash

        January 14, 2012 at 9:02 pm

        Do you see the reasoning behind the BLM putting more cattle on their land than horses? Horses eat so close to the ground that it really stunts the growth of the natural grass, while when cattle eat, they leave enough length on the grass for it to grow faster naturally. This website explains how horses and cattle both eat. http://forages.oregonstate.edu/nfgc/eo/onlineforagecurriculum/instructormaterials/availabletopics/management/livestock

         
      • Jerry Finch

        January 15, 2012 at 7:38 am

        Nash – thank you for providing that link. I’m sure the BLM, in being faithful to the cause as a trustee to the land once allocated to the horses by Congress (Wild Horse and Burro Act), collectively sat down and discussed that it would be far better for the grasses if cows instead of horses grazed. Just as I’m certain that the Cattle lobbyist did not interfere with their decision and the welfare ranchers never asked for more land.

         
      • Denise

        January 15, 2012 at 7:44 am

        Good LORD!!!!!

        Cattle will over graze and are reliant, as a nonnative species without grazing/pasture management. Equines, especially wild MIGRATE! Gotta have wranglers making the cattle AND sheep move on…equines do it instinctively.

        You are touting 19th century animal management practices. As a side note, most cattlemen east of the Rockies don’t suck off the government subsidized land teat. However, there are ag tax benefits. Why can they do it without public lands and the sacrosanct cattlemen and sheepmen of the West can’t do without the public lands grazing? Bear in mind, with leases they get loans, add value to their private property and can sublease mineral and water rights.

        Doesn’t seem fair to me.

         
      • Denise

        January 15, 2012 at 7:47 am

        Tanya…more poop. Why don’t you ask state ag and USDA why they don’t reserve a portion of every cutting for mandated in US sales?

        Nash…I responded to you specifically, but left out the addressee and the reply button is skipping to other posts.

         
      • Betty Hirte

        January 15, 2012 at 1:20 pm

        Odee that has been going for years and that will never change! I don’t like it but I doubt that will ever change!

         
    • Suzanne Moore

      January 15, 2012 at 10:23 pm

      There WERE regulations in place. They did NOT help. Check this out from the newest, most modern, most humane, state-of-the-art, Temple Grandin horse slaughter plant in the world, located in Quebec, Canada http://www.defendhorsescanada.org/lpn.html

      Our horses are tainted with substances that are totally banned in food animals. Horse byproducts are tainted too, even the blood. I don’t see how you could possible not know this.

      Incompetent vets that don’t properly sedate horses first are the reason for problems in chemical euthanasia. Get a good vet and there will not be problems – and certainly nothing that compares with slaughter.

       
  12. Odee

    January 14, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Now I’m not a horse hater by any stretch of the imagination, but…

    Answer: To feed the starving masses in America. The children huddled in doorways. Elderly that aimlessly wander from hostel to hostel. The homeless urchins on street corners begging for money (can clothe them with the hides too).

    Where do I collect the $1,000.00

     
    • Jerry Finch

      January 14, 2012 at 8:40 am

      Horse meat cost a minimum of $10 a pound, not something to “feed the starving masses.” Second – the meat would NOT pass USDA inspection for human consumption in the USA. That tainted meat can only be sold to members of the EU and to Asians, neither of whom either understand how many cancer casings drugs are in the meat. are not aware of the issue or don’t give a damn.

      FAIL.

       
    • Denise

      January 14, 2012 at 2:20 pm

      This meat has so many BAD Chemicals that horses are fed there whole life. Like poisons from
      de worming etc. ! You can’t safely feed this meat to any thing ! .You don’t know anything about horses do you ? As for your staving kids here in America .We have the most obese kids in this country .Right here in the good old USA. So Try another one! ! So If you want to feed the people of the USA .Make them Vegetarians , or Go back to hunting animals like deer or go fishing in the seas! So you don’t collect any thing for your ignorance.

       
      • Nash

        January 14, 2012 at 9:14 pm

        I have been around horses all my life and currently own and raise horses. You say that horse meat has “so many BAD Chemicals that horses are fed their whole life.” What chemicals would this be? Do you realize the cattle that are slaughtered for human consumptioin are also dewormed, given antibiotics when sick, and other medications? This medication all has its withdrawl times to be considered safe for human consumption. As for the obesity problem. Yes, we do have the most obese people in our country, BUT just because we have obese people, does not mean that we do no have starving children and families. Also, making the starving people vegetarians is not a good idea. Think about the complete human diet. Meat provides many different nutrients such as essential amino acids and fatty acids, protein, and vitamins. Meat is more nutrient dense than many other types of food. I somewhat agree with going back to hunting and fishing for your own food and that is partially what my family does. No, we are not hillbilly redneck either. My father is a self-employed farmer, my mother is a massage therapist, my sister is a dietition for a hospital (she has graduated from OSU with her masters in nutrition), and I am currently at OSU majoring in animal science. My family hunts during season and only take the limit that is set by law for each animal and we use all of the meat that we get for food. If you would like more information on meat’s nutrients please feel free to read Introduction to Animal Science by Dr. W. Stephen Dameron

         
      • Jerry Finch

        January 15, 2012 at 7:42 am

        Nash – there is a BIG difference between drugs that say, “NOT TO BE USED ON ANIMALS MEANT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION” and drug that state a withdrawal period prior to slaughter. Do you also raise cattle? Do you actually give your cows drugs that are not suppose to be given, ever, if the meat is to be consumed? Seriously?

         
      • Betty Hirte

        January 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm

        If more deer were hunted and giiven to food pantries during hunting season,more poor would be feed! If more peopele want to feed the poor more vegetables and fruit they need to get more gardens going to do this! Things can be done if people do something about it except just complaining about it!

         
      • Hannah

        January 15, 2012 at 2:37 pm

        Actually people have the option of hunting for “sport” and then donating all their haul to food pantries and butchers who will process the animal just for the hungry. Really cool deal!

         
      • Odee

        January 16, 2012 at 2:36 pm

        Jerry and Denise, do you both think that COWS are not dewormed, or given similar chemical treatments as horses? Because if that’s your argument about creating ‘tainted meat’ then you both need to, please, wake up.

        What about the animal by-products in cattle feed… hmm? Caused Mad Cow disease it did, and what brilliant scientist, or corporate idiot thought that was a good idea to begin with? Feeding animal byproducts to a vegetarian creature? Ohhhh that’s right, it was used as ‘filler’ weight in the feed, so you get less real feed in the bag, but sell it for the same old price!

        Denise, you don’t get out of the city much do you? We have starving kids in this country that look pretty much the same as those Biafra babies in Africa, and they are not all black either.

         
      • Jerry Finch

        January 16, 2012 at 3:39 pm

        And you don’t read much, either. Worming paste was not the issue. Go look at your bottle of Banamine.

        So your argument is that since meat packers did not separate the backbone and feed companies included it in cow feed, thus causing a near collapse of the cattle market, then carcinogens in horse meat is perfectly fine?

        Odee, what the heck was the point of that argument. If you want to throw the price of used cars or some other none related issue in this discussion again, you will no longer be allowed to post here. Sorry, but use LOGIC in your arguments, please!

         
      • Odee

        January 16, 2012 at 10:48 pm

        Jerry: “Worming paste was not the issue.” It was very much the issue since you – (the remainder of this post has been deleted because of the use of derogatory language. This person will not be allowed to post again)

         
    • Cyndy

      January 14, 2012 at 2:44 pm

      good luck with that. Horse slaughter in the US had absolutely nothing to do with feeding humans. It is about an unpleasant solution to a growing problem which Jerry has failed to correct in the past 6 years. Horses are still paying a terrible price for the undisciplined humans who control the breeding process. Far too many horses are taking hellacious rides to Mexico to face a much worse death than what they will get in the US. It is about doing better by the horses and taking a first step to repairing our humanity.

       
      • Denise

        January 15, 2012 at 4:38 am

        WTH??????

        Never mind…I got the covert meaning in your contradictory, spin text.

        HCHS was just as bad here as in Mexico (AND Canada). By the way, Dr. Tom Lenz (expert horse killer par excellance and equine breeding/IVF “specialis”) says everything is “good” in the EU plants he observed during his “announced/scheduled” visit in Mexico… check out the AAEP page on the activity (about 2 years back).

        Lord….don’t you people even listen or read what your side puts out as fact????

         
    • me

      January 14, 2012 at 5:21 pm

      ok that is a stupid answer! educate yourself! It takes a lot more grain to feed an animal for slaughter then what you get in return! If you want to feed all the starving people then everyone should be a vagetarian! All the crop land used to “fatten” animals for slaughter could be used and produce enough vegatation to feed a starving world! Not to mention its better for the enviroment! Please really do educate yourself. :0)

       
    • Amanda Gray

      January 14, 2012 at 6:08 pm

      We waste 40 % of the food we produce. Meaning we produce nearly double what is needed. Why can’t we give the starving children the food that is thrown out but still usable? Because we are a wasteful society and we’d still pitch out horse meat just like we throw away a good quarter per cow. We don’t need horse meat to feed starving people.

       
      • Betty Hirte

        January 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm

        Amanda, I see lots and lots of food wasted every day when I work! I work at a college in the kitchen. I see what the students don’t eat when the trays come in the disroom! I see the cook throw out lots of food that has spoiled,was reheated but can’t be again,burnt or will not keep! I wish there was a way to take some of the leftover to feed other people who would be grateful to have it! I think there is a law against that! Anyway if some of this food wasn’t wasted less people would go hungry!

         
    • Betty Hirte

      January 15, 2012 at 1:37 pm

      Odee,your commet shows yes the the US has a ton of problems. There is no easy fix for any of it! I don’t think slaughting horses in the US and selling the meat is the answer!

       
  13. R.T. Fitch

    January 14, 2012 at 12:16 am

    For security sake, Jerry, I will insure your $1,000.00 wager and donate same to HfH in reimbursement should a blood, engorged, horse-eater actually manage to concoct a reason for killing companion animals and feasting on their carcasses. This is to ensure that you can sleep well even though we know that said funds shall not be required to be paid out.

    You are in the good hands of the R.T. Insurance and Feed Store.

    Sleep tight…

     
    • Elizabeth A. Morgan

      January 14, 2012 at 9:52 am

      R.T. their is the latest CDC report of patient history’s of those who consumed horse meat and died as a result of it. If I had the money I would donate to the cause. But since every penny I have is used to support My horse who I love dearly That is not possible. The point still stands. I don’t eat my friends and the three congress men should be hung out to dry or what ever humiliation can be delivered to these three horse hating mongers.

       
  14. Doris Kelsey

    January 13, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    Some of us believe that the things mother earth gives us should not be wasted. We should eat our vegetables, recycle our paper, and bury our dead free of toxins in green cemeteries so plants can use our remains. We also believe no amimal life should be wasted. We pray for their souls upon their passing and use every bit of their bodies. To waste any of it would be disrespectful to their soul. It is this reason that animals should not be poisoned to death and carted away to a hazardous waste landfill. To do so is the most disrespectful, horrible thing one can do. To shoot the animal and leave it for others to eat is balancing nature. To make the carcass unusable is an abomination.

     
    • Gail

      January 14, 2012 at 10:16 am

      Doris:
      I have had horses for over 30 years and not one of my horses were carted off to a land fill or carted away to a facility so that they could be ground into fertilizer or ground up to be fed back to other animals. I too cherish Mother Earth who also has given us the Stewardship of her animals, All of my horses were my constant companions and gave me their heart unconditionally. It is apparent that Mother Earth is NOT VERY HAPPY with what the human race is doing to her animals
      both wild and domestic. She also is very unhappy that some choose to cause pain, suffering and
      undue death to our magnificient horses. However, selfish humans are kiling off the predators which kept the balance of nature. My horses are still with me as I chose a fitting death for each of them by my veterinarian when the time came. I choose to have them creamated rather than be hauled away to be ground up for ferilizer or ground up to be used in another fashion. The horses in question are tainted with approximately 26 cancer causing agents. Would you feed this meat to your family knowing it could cause cancer to your family? In case most humans haven’t noticed, check the world around us, we have hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and drought which is beyond belief. I think Morther Nature is trying to give us a chance to redemn ourselves, but its apparent some humans see them from a monetary view only. I too pray for the souls of the poor equines who have suffered torture and death by the hand of some humans. Obvisously you haven’t looked into the eyes of horses as they arrive and are let off trucks to slaughter. This definitely is not what Mother Nature or God intended for his maganificient creatures.

       
      • Betty Hirte

        January 15, 2012 at 1:47 pm

        Gail, I had a horse for just short of 27 years, I had Major from 4yrs old to 31 years old. In July of 2009 I had to put my beloved horse down to health problems. He didn’t deserve to be dragged to a landfill,a mink farm or the local dog food factory. I was able to have him buried in the back pasture of the stable I had boarded him for years. The stable owner was gracious to have the nearest landscaping place buried him for me at no charge! I will never forget seeing Major put down. I know Major is in horse heaven where he is happy! I miss him and he will always be in my heart! I was very lucky to have Major so long in my life and knowing I was able to give him a proper burial place!

         
    • Suzanne Moore

      January 14, 2012 at 10:40 am

      Our horses are already unfit to eat because of the safe and effective products we have for their care and comfort that are not safe for humans to EAT. It’s a long list, and there is absolutely NO reason to give up these extremely useful products just because people can’t eat them.

      As a horse owner and horse lover I’d rather have my horse comfortable and well than worry about “wasting” his carcass. What he gives me in life insures that nothing about him is a “waste.” We can’t eat EVERYTHING. And there are other criteria for determining “waste.”

       
    • Karen

      January 14, 2012 at 4:37 pm

      Doris, can we throw you to the wolves when your day is up?

       
  15. bevkins77

    January 13, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    I’m rolling………best laugh I’ve had in a very long time Jerry. I stay so bent to hades over stupidity, laughter escapes me most days. Thanks for stoking the fire a bit more and know I’d bend down and kiss your big toe. I might actually sleep tonight. You ROCK! My bets with you.

     
  16. Belinda Caron

    January 13, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    That is a good point,and you have discussed its detailed implications – The gist of the matter is greed on one hand and demand on the other- we have seen a yearling filly sell at auction up in Fort Woth for $115.000.00. People must come to there sences ! God help us to overtake the impediments, repell the hinderances and conquer the incentives – May that treatment restore psychological health, physical well-being and a comfortable way of life, in spite of the pain we and they suffer from horse slaughter bitterness.

     
  17. Betty Hirte

    January 13, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    If horse slaughter starts up again all of good horses who are not old and crippled will end up being slaughtered just because the people will want the money. They will not care about the horse or horses! Just the dang money! I can see people finding free horses,like on Craiglist,and taking the horses to the slaughter horse just for the money! People are going to get greedy over this! All of people don’t understand horses helped build this country! Horses are pets,friends,companions,memebers of families,performers,competiors and so much more! They don’t deserve to be slaughter even if they are old and crippled!

     
  18. cj maxwell

    January 13, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    (NOTE – Here it is, folks! A TYPICAL horse killer response! – Jerry)

    I do not believe there is any one right or wrong here,you have already made your descision.The only answers you want are the ones that agree with your personal feelings of this subject.As wich is your right to have.Everyones right to have.You have stated to one person to give you license plate numbers? of trucks hauling straight threw.Well get out there in the thick of things and get those facts yourself,or are you scared of what you will learn.And who do you think is stupid enuf to actually give them plate numbers to you?? This subject is based on all the human emotions possible.God made Adam and Eve first,not the black stallion and the old grey mare.Death is cruel,no matter how ,what,or why.Its a hard fact of life and no one has the right to play god,but sometimes its what happens anyway.I have been on both sides of the matter of processing horses.Its not pretty,neither is watching one suffer from an injury,or from severe dehydration caused by starvation,or renel failure caused by a virus or desease.There has to be a balance in nature and sorry,but we as humans do have to intervene sometimes.But on the other hand,with all the drought ,viruses,starvation,and abused horses out there,mother nature does seem to be taking care of it herself now doesnt she.As far as money being the issue? Take your $1000 dollars and go save the horses you claim can be saved,since you have so much of it too flaunt around,put your money where your mouth is and prove that you can save every single one of them out there.Good luck and God Bless.

     
    • Suzanne Moore

      January 14, 2012 at 10:46 am

      Umm…… You need to go back and study your English grammar. What grade are you in? As for Jerry Fitch, he has put his money – and body and soul – where his mouth is more times than you have made grammatical and/or spelling errors.

      Go back to school and learn a little respect while you’re there.

       
    • bevkins77

      January 15, 2012 at 9:50 pm

      I repeat……………there is no cure for stupid.

       
  19. kandee

    January 13, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Twitter , Mr. Finch , Twitter…There is strength in Numbers of Like Minded Individuals.

     
  20. Barb3000

    January 13, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Keith
    Do you know the mileage from Seattle to the Mexican border if you were driving a truck load of horses? It’s over 1,200 miles. All the KB’s up here and in the states along the Canadian border take them there. I don’t know who you are, I would suspect a lobbyist for one of the special interests groups or the Sue Wallis bunch. Your ignorance says a lot.

     
  21. Ann Raeside

    January 13, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    Other countries eat dogs and cats. We have “too many” of those animals. Why do we not see slaughter houses opening up to “process” them. People are dumping these animals out in the country, I know that for a fact because I have picked up several of the strays and they now live with me. They are also starving them and all of the other things that were mentioned in a previous post. Would we send our dogs and cats to slaughter? What the hell people, pull your heads out of your rear end. Jerry has educated himself in all aspects of this issue. I trust his opinion over all the other garbage I have heard. For those of you who think slaughter is a great idea here is a question for you….will you go work in the slaughter house? Yeah, I think not that would bring reality in your face. It is easier to sit on the sidelines and talk about it.

     
  22. Gina Keesling

    January 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    As someone who used to raise farm animals for meat (cattle & hogs) on a small farm, I cannot understand why in the world the pro-slaughter advocates are getting anywhere with this cause. With regular animal agriculture, great effort goes into producing a healthy, wholesome, uniform product that consumers will value, and trust to be safe. The industry is highly regulated when it comes to drug residues, carcasses are tested to ensure compliance. Animals must be uniform weight, at the correct maturity, with appropriate body fat (for flavor/marbling/tenderness) or they’re virtually worthless, (meaning if you do the math on what it costs in feed to get them even close to the correct weight, it’s a losing proposition)

    Horse meat is the only meat product (and I use that term loosely) that is being produced by non-farmers collecting salvage animals from questionable/undocumented environments with unknown histories and sending them to slaughter at any weight/age/condition. With all the push to “Buy American”, this is not a product our country should be proud of producing, and it doesn’t make sense why such enormous effort is being put into advocating it.

    Even if you remove all the emotion from the equation – whether it’s appropriate to dispatch horses via current methods for slaughter, no matter whether it’s in the US or outside – you’re still left with a resulting “product” that doesn’t make good business sense to put all this effort into struggling over.

    The horse industry in general needs to do a better job minding the store – producing quality animals, and cultivating a market for the horses that are produced – to be ridden, driven and otherwise enjoyed by folks who relish the horse owning experience. To reiterate what’s already been said, there’s a whole lot more money to be made off a live horse in a good home than the one in a kill pen.

     
    • Jerry Finch

      January 13, 2012 at 8:18 pm

      Excellent response, Gina. Thank you

       
  23. Barb3000

    January 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    There is a company in Eastern Washington state that raises hay. They will only sell from 500 tons of hay and up. You can’t just drive up and buy a truck load. They are shippers to China and other countries and companies like this one have been in business since the 1970′s with the US government’s blessing. Your right KimJ in more ways than one. This country ships numerous commodities to the EU for one and also to Canada and Mexico, where ever they can find a market.
    This is one of a number of reasons the food prices are going up, and have been for the past three years. You would think that in a state that raises apples that you could find a cheap apple but you can’t. The cheapest I have ever seen is 98 cents but the normal price is $1.49 per pound.

     
  24. ridernthestorm

    January 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Glad to be certain you will be keeping your money, Jerry. You have asked the impossible. There is not need, there is only a want.

     
  25. KimJ

    January 13, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    There is no reason for slaughter. However, I have some solutions to the horse crisis:

    In many states, costs of hay are on the rise and it isn’t just related to fuel. It has to do with farmers signing 3 year contracts with foreign buyers who are willing to pay any fluctuating increase in prices. Farmers that quit growing hay to farm some other crop that they feel will bring in more money and of course the high cost of fuel.

    I live in San Diego. At the place I board at the last semi truck of hay that was delivered cost $8,000 (yes, 8 with 3 zeros). The forecast of hay prices by a local farmer is saying that we are likely looking at $400 a ton this year (7 years ago it was $145 a ton). I have quite a few friends that are trying to think of a balanced diet to feed their horses that doesn’t have anything to do with hay. I am considering moving to a wetter climate just so that I can afford to feed my horses. On top of this, it is reported that San Diego bought the water rights to Imperial Valley which is where a lot of Southern California hay is grown.

    What to do? Place a high tariff on foreign buyers. If they want our hay so bad then at least they can give a nice large fee to the gov. and help us out of or debt. Place a special NEW tax on farmers selling out of country (and screwing over their local horse and cattle owning population), lastly, the gov. should install a state incentive to encourage farmers to grow hay. Increase in hay costs isn’t just affecting hay eating animal owners, it is affecting EVERYONE. How? Who do you think will pick up the extra tab from a dairy farmer? Whoever buys dairy products! Same of course for any other product that comes from animals raised for food who eats hay.

    The HUGE influx of “excess” horses happened during the 1980′s when a certain tax loop hole was taken away that no longer allowed people to write off expenses related to their horses. All of a sudden, these people couldn’t afford to keep all of these horses and had to get rid of them. That is how (I have read) this entire horse slaughter issue came into being. So, reinstate the loop hole and then you will find that people now can afford to keep their horses and also feed them.

    We don’t need slaughter at all imo. I think that if the hay crisis was resolved and that tax loop hole reinstalled then these pro-slaughter advocates would find that there really aren’t a whole lot of “unwanted” horses.

     
    • Tanya Geiger

      January 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm

      YES…. Kim J YES!!!

      and…. Just think if hay weren’t so darn expensive the cattle ranchers could afford to feed their livestock hay, as opposed to wanting to use all the land that the wild herds of horses are on!!!

      I agree there should be some sort of inceptive for farmers to grow and supply hay to the animals here in the USA!

       
    • kandee

      January 13, 2012 at 10:14 pm

      Agreed 100% Kim J, very smart and intelligent response-now to tackle the relentless Government….They don’t seem to understand “common sense” these days….only Greed.

       
    • Margo Nielsen

      January 14, 2012 at 11:39 am

      Those are excellent observations and conclusions. Unfortunately legislators seem to be reluctant to protect Americans from an unfair advatage in order to allow people to make profits over the general welfare of the country.

       
  26. Margo Nielsen

    January 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    RE: “To which I will ask as a preliminary part of our side, which is worth more per year to the US economy – a live horse or a dead one?”

    Considering all the effort, energy, feed and involvement that it takes to raise one foal to adulthood and then train it for a discipline, it doesn’t make any sense at all to consign it to slaughter for few hundred dollars!

    Furthermore, it’s impact on the economy for its lifespan of 25 years or so is tremendous, considering the feed, grooming supplies, supplements, medications, tack, showing, boarding or grazing open land to maintain the horse.

    Lastly, the impact of any given horse on the people and other animals in his life is in an experiential form, changing lives, providing comfort or being comforted, providing healthy active lifestyles, helping people (especially children and the disabled) unsderstand life’s processes and lessons.

    And that’s just one horse! Every time you see a pen or truck full of horses bound for slaughter you can’t help but weep for the lost life force violently extinguished and washing away in a river of blood that could have enhanced so many lives for so many years… such a waste!

    Horses are GREEN and need to be recycled and reused while ALIVE, i.e. CONSERVED and not sacrificed for a single act of consumption (what a waste that is!).Our world is becoming short on resources and horses are one of the most efficient resources in the world considering all that they do and are!

    I vote to rename all rescues “Horse Conservatories” to take the “victim” aspect out of the equation.

     
  27. Amanda Gray

    January 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    When they bring up how they are going to use these horses to feed the poor.. Remind them that we waste over 40% of the food we produce. We already have more than enough food.. we just don’t want to share.

     
  28. shirley smith

    January 13, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    This Horse Slaughter Crap is all about greed and money. The horse is worth lots more alive than dead, what is wrong with this picture. How can the Pros say they love horses when they want to see them go to slaughter which is cruel and inhumane and no matter what they do different it will always be cruel and inhumane. Most of the unwanted horses can find new homes it just takes time they surely don’t need to die they have their life to live. There is no need for horse slaughter its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

     
  29. Keith

    January 13, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    At present in Washington State, Horses bound for slaughter end up going to Mexico or Canada. The horses going to Mexico are put in crowded trucks and travel to Mexico without any water of food. They end up making this horrible journey because we do not allow horse slaughter.
    Banning horses from being slaughtered in our country is useless unless we prevent our horses from being exported to other countries for the purpose of being slaughtered. All we are doing is easing our conscience without thinking about the welfare of our horses.

     
    • Jerry Finch

      January 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm

      I would like for you to give me, by private email if you wish, the truck numbers of any haulers making the trip from Washington State to Mexico without stopping. You make this claim, provide me with facts. Don’t just throw it out there and assume that we accept your statement just because you made it.

       
      • Cyndy

        January 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm

        if you get that info, publish it. Lots of us will help you go after those haulers. The appropriate treatment of such a hauler is surely illegal in teh US..

         
    • N.Laurel

      January 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm

      Both CA and OR are very consistent in weighing ALL trucks. There is no way to make it through either state without being weighed and the load checked, several times. I used to haul exotic livestock, and I know this for a fact. Neither state would allow a load of ‘stacked’ horses to continue to Mexico. Slaughter is illegal in both states, and the horses would be confiscated and the driver fined and suspended.. So, Keith, tell us how to get to Mexico from WA? .
      These are the careless kinds of statements of “fact” that makes the viewpoint of horse slaughter advocates so laughable. .If you truly desire to make a good argument, at least check the ‘easy’ facts.

       
      • N.Laurel

        January 13, 2012 at 10:10 pm

        ADDED: There are 74 Truck Weigh stations in Oregon, alone. There is a federal law against hauling horses two stacks high, so the driver would be stopped in WA, as well. WA has 54 weigh stations, and there were more than I could count on the CA list of stations.

         
      • Cyndy

        January 14, 2012 at 2:54 pm

        there are many ways to get through just about every state without being weighed or load checked. Ever.Make ain interstate run sometime and see how many closed weigh stations you pass. Unless you are pulling an 18 wheeler, it is no big deal to dodge them.

         
    • Suzanne Moore

      January 13, 2012 at 10:49 pm

      Just a moment, Keith. Horses traveled long distances without appropriate stops for food and water when the domestic plants were open. From Washington State, the Mexican plant just across the border from El Paso is closer than the plants we had in Central Texas. And it’s a much shorter trip to Canada than either Illinois or Central Texas.

      Maybe you should consult a map.

       
    • Margo Nielsen

      January 14, 2012 at 11:44 am

      HR 2966 and S 1176, the new bills presented to Congress will not only ban skaughter, but will ban transport of horses for slaughter to other countries as well. Advocates in Canada are working on banning horse slaughter too, and those in Mexico as well…

      It’s an empty argument to blame horse advocates for any cruelty or end run around lawful intentions that kill buyers and slaughterers make.

       
    • kandee

      January 15, 2012 at 7:53 pm

      American Horses should not be Exported to other countries for Slaughter–and the Bill to not have them Slaughtered here in America and to close the Slaughterhouses down Happened near the end of Bush’s Term in 2007-2008, Slaughter here should not even be an issue period. Exporting our horses for Slaughter is every bit as Horrible as a Crime and as bad as Slaughtering American Horses on our own Soil.
      If America Passes this bill again(and doesn’t rescend it)- or sends any American Horse to Slaughter in Another Country, they are as bad as that country and as Ignorant. Usually people who eat Horse Meat in other Countries…have a DICTATOR as President and the country is Barbaric in many ways already.
      Is Ours as Barbaric? Beginning 2 wonder. Obviously in many ways we are not the Great America we once were-we desperately need to get back there to the good ole’ days of the REAL USA.

      I have to pay my taxes…but I never NEVER gave permission or agreed for my taxpayer dollars to fund Slaughtering Domestic Animals that I love. Horses won our wars, have plowed our fields, and today can be used in so many helpful NON-Abusive ways–like for example Mounted Police–
      Start with The Race Horse Industry and work down they are the problem…….

       
  30. Janet Ferguson

    January 13, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    This is sort of about our tax dollars paying for horse slaughter inspectors from The Department of Agriculture, is it not?

    No matter what anyone thinks — the only way anyone would want our tax dollars to be footing the cost of USDA inspectors would be if we had moolah on the table and would stand to ‘lose’ if the slaughter inspectors were not provided ‘for free.’

    So Jerry is correctamundo. Only a financial — not a humane argument exists at all — the rest is just trying to justify a horrid act.

     
  31. rcatheron

    January 13, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Get ‘em, Jerry. There’s got to be someone out there with an intelligent answer, right? No, thank God. We are staunch supporters of anti-slaughter, and are behind you 100 %.

     
  32. N.Laurel

    January 13, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Jerry, this little lady seems so convinced and sincere that it’s scary! She just might wanna take on your challenge: http://sidelinesnews.com/blogs/laurengallops/for-the-love-of-horses-pt-1.html
    I would sure love to see her learn the truths, as she may be just as committed to the “Light Side” as she is to the “Dark Side”.

     
    • Jerry Finch

      January 13, 2012 at 5:18 pm

      The game is on for here. If she wants to try for the $1,000, tell her to bring it on.

       
      • Robert Westcott

        January 13, 2012 at 7:36 pm

        (Note – This post makes absolutely no sense at all. I’m sure Robert Westcott has an idea, but to tell me my ideas a hoax? Then to tell me that I must email him to get him to tell me? Nope, Robert. That is a failure on your part, not mine. If indeed you speak the truth, share. This isn’t the time for games. – Jerry)

        Sorry, but I think your challenge is a hoax? That only gives the people for horse slaughter, another way to discredit the people that are truly agains horse slaughter! Hope you find a better more positive way to promote equine welfare. Since I do not want to give my answer in public, and promote the idea of “Lodgical” reasons for the slaugher of horses (my reasons for being against horse slaughter are moral, not lodgical). E-mail me for the answer, and if you like it you can donate the $1,000 to an equine rescue of my choise, and admit I won the challenge. Then we can move on, and maybe together, find more positive ways to help the horse :)

         
  33. Nadia Loden

    January 13, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Well I’ve been told I’m “pro slaughter” because I’d rather see them slaughtered than being turned loose on busy highways to be hit, turned loose in the Everglades to be eatten by the gators, or being turned loose to “fend for themselves”. I’m sorry, but we ALL know there are people in this world that just CAN NOT afford to keep their horses anymore. Rather than them dying horrendous deaths of starvations or being eatten alive I’d rather just see them slaughtered.

    Would I like to see the slaughtering done in a more humane nature? Sure.

    I guess years ago I learned I can’t save them all. I do what I can for the ones that I can, but I can’t carry the burden of all the homeless, starving horses, because if I do then I stay awake at night making myself a wreck because there is NOTHING that you can do for them.

    Yeah I’m putting on my flamesuit because I’m sure I’m about to be called all kind of horrible, nasty things, but that’s okay – I’m at peace with my decision. And I will say I put much thought into my stance. It wasn’t a knee jerk decision.

    I don’t have the answer as to how to fix the horse population because you will ALWAYS have people breeding horses that otherwise shouldn’t be reproduced. You will ALWAYS have people who think their horses are the best and no one can hold a candle to them. So as long as you have people who are breeding, what I feel are, usless horses (and who am I to say your horse isn’t as good as mine anyway ,right?) then we will always have the population issue! Its kinda like the cats & dogs on a much larger, more food requred, scale!

     
    • Jerry Finch

      January 13, 2012 at 5:17 pm

      While I understand your anguish, please also note that turning the horses loose to fend for themselves, if indeed that is what’s happening, is a criminal act performed by the owner. Had law enforcement decided to attempt to find the owner, he/she would find themselves in court. In every state, abandonment is against the law. Those that do need to face punishment.

       
      • Denise

        January 13, 2012 at 5:38 pm

        If any one can find the where with all TO dump an equine in the Everglades, they can surely find a way to qualified gunshot or vet chem euth an equine.

        Mr Finch…and law enforcement needs to enforce the law and not make excuses for not doing same.

         
      • CanAmFam

        January 13, 2012 at 5:42 pm

        Nadia,
        Do you have proof of all these alleged abandonments? I ask because the last time all the abandonment claims of the slaughter pushers were investigated, it was found they were fabricated, or a case of loose horses whose owners claimed them. Which proved only one thing: slaughter proponents are prone to exaggerating and fabricating abandonment as a need for slaughter.

        Animal people claims to track the number of U.S. horses abandoned and seized for neglect in the U.S. every year. In 2010, they recorded about 1,300 horses in that category. And that’s a year worse than most. Every if those numbers tripled in 2011, that’s still not enough horses to viably support a single slaughter plant. And as we know, slaughter houses are not interested in starving horses.

        The fact is, selling to slaughter at American livestock auctions, or to slaughter dealers, or direct to kill buyers, is as available as it has ever been (i.e. when the U.S. plants were open) as an option to owners in the U.S. And we are slaughtering the same number of horses to meet the demand for US horsemeat overseas. And yet anecdotally, we’re hearing about rising neglect levels. So statistically speaking, slaughter has failed to prevent starvation and neglect.

        More importantly though, is the fundamental flaw in the premise that slaughter prevents starvation and neglect – and that is, that people who neglect and starve their horses didn’t send them to slaughter, even though it’s available. Canada’s largest equine neglect case? In Alberta, home to the slaughterhouse in Fort McLeod. People neglect and starve for reasons totally unrelated to, and unmitigated by the availability of slaughter. And if you REALLY and TRULY care about equine neglect, you will be interested in addressing the true causes of it, not false ones.

         
      • lisathevet

        January 13, 2012 at 11:29 pm

        Well said CanAmFarn: I have said your same words many times & am always looked at with a blank stare – then of course called a dirty name! What you said is so obvious but yet there is no comprehension to someone who is pro-slaughter…..and de-nial is no longer just a river in Egypt!

         
      • kandee

        January 13, 2012 at 10:02 pm

        Slaughtering Horses is Criminal, Period.

        I am too upset about the topic to respond in an intelligent, non-angry way right now.

        Thank you so much for you Passion in Trying to stop this very UN-American Horror and Crime.

        The Humane Society of the United States says that People that abuse animals , abuse People-AND they are absolutely right! Facts substantiate.

        Know that I am doing everything I can to help you win this fight along with other Responsible—- Horse Lovers and hope to own a Rescue Facility One Day.

        Don’t EVER QUIT, Mr. Finch

         
    • N.Laurel

      January 13, 2012 at 5:22 pm

      Nadia, in the states that prohibit horses being sold to a slaughter buyer, or knowingly be transported to slaughter, there are no more ( and considerable less, in some cases) of abandoned or starving horses. Here, the ones who would abandon their horses are the very same ones who would take their dog to the countryside and dump him, rather than taking him to a shelter. Go figure..why would anyone dump a dog! when there are so many shelters or rescues? Because it is such a simple solution. To take a horse to auction, you have to actually DO something..Load’em up, pay a fee and sell them. The “dumpers” have always been with us, because lazy, irresponsible, sadistic people have always been with us, even when there were kill-buyers allowed at our auctions, and slaughter was handy… Just this week, a local man was arrested for starving three dogs, and keeping them in tiny cages without food or water..His excuse, “I lost my job and couldn’t afford to feed them anymore.”..The dogs were CHIHUAHUAS! I’m sure that losing his job meant he couldn’t afford water for them either? Same goes for horses. When a rescue steps in to help starving horses, they almost never have even water available. There are just no remedies for such scum. “Slaughter” would only help if such owners could be slaughtered.

       
      • Jerry Finch

        January 13, 2012 at 5:25 pm

        Love that answer. Thank you !

         
      • Denise

        January 13, 2012 at 5:40 pm

        Very good response.

         
      • kandee

        January 13, 2012 at 10:05 pm

        My sentiments , exactly N. Laurel!

         
    • Denise

      January 13, 2012 at 5:45 pm

      BTW, Nadia Loden…you are not sure you are pro slaughter?

      Interesting to say the most.

      Thank you for your obfuscating.

       
    • Lynette

      January 13, 2012 at 7:13 pm

      True, there are always going to be those who bred anyway even though there is no market for horses or their horses are crap. But that is not going to make enough horses to feed the slaughter market. Even when you add those that are crazy or untrainable horses you will still not have enough to feed the slaughter market. It is those who let stallions run with 600 mares that are the big problem. Or the TB breeders who are breeding hundreds for the 10 or eleven that might make it to the Kentucky Derby and beyond. Or the QH breeders who get money back from the AQHA that gives them the incentive to breed in mass amount so the AQHA can get registration fees. And it is those who now think that there will be a market for raised for slaughter horses that are going to be the problem. Over the years the market for slaughter horses has gone down. From 300,000 a year to a meer 135,000 in recent past years. No matter what the pro-slaughter try to do they will never get enough American’s to eat horse to make a market. So those in the equine industry who think slaughter is going to be the ends to the means, they had better think again. Horses are now more then ever a luxury item and “Yuppies” are not buying lawn ornaments anymore. Its time for the equine industry to realize their gravy train has just about ended. Its time to look for a new job or a new species to take advantage of to take their blood and use them to pay their bills. Its time to really look at reality!

       
    • Suzanne Moore

      January 13, 2012 at 11:04 pm

      Nadia – You are not evil, just misguided. Breeders are breeding too many horses for the current market, period. Think about this – if slaughter were the answer to the “abandoned” horses, why are you still seeing them? We’ve had years and years of uninterrupted horse slaughter. What problems has it solved? Since the domestic plants closed we have been shipping just as many horses to slaughter as we were when they were open. We’re selling as many horses to slaughter as the market will bear. We can’t sell more no matter where the plants are. The demand is the controlling factor here, not how many horses are available. That’s just plain old Economics.

      Also, our horses are not raised under the controls that food animals are. Many horse products contain ingredients that ban them from the human food chain for life after just one use. And, they are plainly labeled “Not for use in horses intended for food purposes.” Some of these ingredients are very dangerous for humans, especially children. It’s nothing short of disgraceful for the United States to continue to knowingly export tainted horse meat to unsuspecting consumers overseas.

      All this without even mentioning the cruelty of the entire process.

       
    • Leslie Chaffin

      January 14, 2012 at 2:17 am

      OK, grab a cup of coffee, this turned out to be much more than I had intended. And no, you don’t need your flamesuit. For those of you who are steeped in this, I know I’m preaching to the choir….

      The process from sale barn to slaughterhouse is perhaps more painful, terrorizing and horrific for the horse as the one that has been abandoned by a lazy owner. And it is laziness as it doesn’t take much to find help with the speed of the internet these days.

      I see many emails going around to help people who find they need to re-home their horses. The community steps up. A recent situation involving more than 80 horses needing help brought in hay donations, feed, dollars and people stepping up to adopt to help out.

      Abandoned horses are not the result of not having a slaughter option because slaughter has never NOT been an option. There were as many abused and abandoned horses with plants in the U.S. as there have been without. The problem is PEOPLE who don’t really give a damn. As Ron White says “you can’t fix stupid.”

      Guess what? That you have felt the weight on your shoulders, knowing you couldn’t help all the homeless horses you know about and it makes you a “wreck” says you DO care. So for those you can’t help directly, call people who can help. For those you see in a pasture starving, make a call to report cruelty and encourage others to do the same. There are cruelty laws in 37 states now and most include neglect. Help network the horses that come to your attention to get their information into the hands of someone who can help.

      If you track the news related to horse rescue/cruelty, reports fairly recently, of more than 5300 horses abandoned at the U.S. Mexico border were traced back to kill buyers who just turned them loose when they were rejected at the slaughterhouse. Since the USDA doesn’t follow once the horse has been across the border, this has gone unchecked–and you can bet that the kill buyers knew this. For these horses, there will be no justice as it will be near impossible to track down the kill buyers who did this. I think of the ranch where 700 starving horses had hay airlifted to them because the owner essentially abandoned them because he was in bankruptcy. At least the owner was up on charges, but in my opinion, the resulting sentence still wasn’t enough based on the number of horses involved.

      Only 6-8% of horses going to slaughter are so old or infirm that their owners should have had them mercifully put down. And there are rescues will provide assistance to owners who need to do this and can’t afford it even if they are in other states–Lifesavers, Inc. and Front Range Equine are two I know of. Jerry–does Habitat for Horses?

      Because U.S. horses are not raised for food like cattle as they are in Europe and Russia, the EU has gotten wise and implemented regulations regarding U.S. horse meat with some shops in Europe refusing to take any U.S. horse meat because most is not fit for human consumption due to supplements, anti-inflammatory and pain drugs that are designated as a danger for humans to ingest. Since most horses purchased at auction do not come with a life history of medications, expect that more and more horses will be rejected.

      The last figure I saw is that about 14% of the horses are rejected and I’m sure this will grow. What happens to these horses? Again, the most recent reports show they are starving to death in holding pens because a kill buyer won’t feed a horse they can’t sell–he’s already lost money on it. So how is this better than the owner abandoning the horse? It is naive to think that once a horse is sold to a kill buyer that it goes to the plant, is “humanely” killed and then processed. It isn’t. Just watch the videos readily available on YouTube of horses at Canadian or Mexican slaughterhouses and see what really happens. I’ve cried every time.

      Overpopulation begins and ends with breed associations, breeders and horse owners. Breeders need to produce based on demand. Backyard breeding should be by very expensive permit only. There should be regulations that require breeders to geld any colt sold as a pleasure riding prospect and quite frankly, most people do not know how to properly train a stallion anyway. (Yes, I have had a stallion and he could be shown nose to tail with mares in a show ring and no one knew he was a stallion.) And yes, I used to breed performance horses, but when the market tanked in the late 1980s, we had the good sense to stop breeding. And when each of my horses had reached that point whether by injury or illness due to age, each was humanely euthanized. Even when I had lost my job and no longer were we a two income household, we found the money because it is what you do for a faithful companion.

      Imagine, since we know that there are at least 100,000 too many horses for the market if federal regulation said that all of the horse industry would have to figure out how to produce 100,000 less horses? That slaughter is not an option. If the Equine Protection Act were passed, that is exactly what would have to happen because NO horse could be transported for the purpose of slaughter for human consumption. As long as slaughter is an option, the industry does not have to deal with the problem. It is convenient. It is an excuse. Like the lazy owner who abandons his horse to starve, the lazy horse industry has chosen to abandon the horses that go to slaughter every year rather than dealing with the real problem which the industry has created.

      What any of us can do who are involved in rescue is exactly what you express: we help as much as we can. It is the truism that we face every day–we help the ones we can in whatever way that we can and yes, we shed tears for the ones that we can’t. There are days we don’t want to open our email or look at our Facebook page. It is a never ending stream of horses, donkeys, dogs, cats even goats, lamas, birds and bunnies that need homes, have been found as strays in terrible condition, are on the kill list at shelters, the list goes on and on.

      Yet we share, network with others in rescue, and work to get the ones we can to safety. More than 4 million cast off cats and dogs will be euthanized in shelters this year, yet community after community is reaching no kill status. If everyone were required to spay/neuter to have a pet, the impact it would have on this number would be tremendous, some say up to a reduction of 75%. If 20% of the people who want a pet adopted instead of bought from a breeder, it would reduce the number euthanized every year to 1.5 million.

      Thus, applying these same ideas to horses, imagine the impact of requiring gelding, having to have a permit for breeding ANY horse, if people would look to adoption instead of purchase, imagine how much of an impact that would have in reducing 100,000-130,000 horses going to slaughter instead going to homes. Add to this people being willing to get involved when they see a neglected horse–calling the authorities if the owner won’t listen or accept help. And as with small animals, if more people step up to foster, more can be taken in by rescues.

      We recognize that because there are scum out there who really don’t care about their animals horses or otherwise, we will likely never be able to save them all. But we save as many as we can. That is all that anyone can do. Sometimes the hardest ones to loose are the ones that the kill buyers outbid the rescues on. And believe me, I’ve seen plenty of accounts where the kill buyer knew a rescue wanted a horse and kept bidding it up. Or settled outside the auction pen, holding the horse for “ransom” so to speak at twice the price the kill buyer just paid. I know for the PMU mares I have that were rescued years ago, I paid at least twice what the farmer would have gotten at a kill auction for them. But that’s what was required for the RESCUE to be able to get them out.

      But because we feel deeply and passionately that EVERY horse should have a caring home, we do not see slaughter as an option. We are disgusted with an industry that refuses to acknowledge it has a problem that only it can fix by doing what every other business in the country has had to do, especially in this recession–cut back on production and regulate the “backyard breeder” not only to reduce overpopulation, but also to ensure breed standards aren’t compromised.

      We are disgusted with an industry that sees slaughter as a method of “disposal” when it claims to care about the welfare of horses.

      We are angry at a do-nothing Congress that has had four years to pass legislation that would end slaughter and the transport to slaughter for horses, and instead allows the USDA to have a line item in its budget to inspect horse slaughter plants.

      Believe me, anyone involved in rescue, and those like Jerry who live with it day in and day out, have days when they ask themselves how they will take one more day filled with people telling them about horses in desperate need whether in someone’s pasture or at the local auction barn. We ALL have sleepless nights worrying, and for the rescues, often worrying about how they will pay for the feed and vet care or how they can take even one more horse.

      I hope you will re-think your position that slaughter is a humane option. It isn’t. It is a cruel business from the auction pen to the slaughterhouse and they care nothing whatsoever about the horses. Slaughter plants themselves were a blight on the communities in which they operated. I believe Straight from the Horse’s Heart had a column about this from people in Texas who were relieved when Texas made slaughter illegal and the plant closed.

      Again, it is naive to think that U.S. plants were somehow “better” than those across our borders though the pro-slaughter camp continuously claims this when it is simply a myth. A horse slaughter plant is a slaughter plant wherever it is located. Its purpose and nature does not change just because it is in the U.S. Our government recently rescinded the ban on downer cows and mistreatment of them as they caved to pressure from the industry. So once again these poor animals that can’t get up and walk will be shoved around with forklifts, no telling how much they will be bruised, battered and beaten just to get them, terrified, into a kill chute. Slaughter as a whole is not a humane industry.

      None of us has all the answers. But we know with certainty that slaughter is NOT an acceptable solution to addressing equine overpopulation.

       
      • lisathevet

        January 14, 2012 at 8:15 pm

        Very well said. Thank you. You covered so many aspects very well!

         
      • Margaret

        January 16, 2012 at 12:21 am

        Holy wow and Double wow! What an excellent post! You hit the nail on the head all the way through. I LOVED the entire post.

        Awesome job!

         
  34. Mar Wargo

    January 13, 2012 at 4:44 pm

    Humans can make a business out of anything, even something highly unjustified. A high standard does not give out anywhere. You got that, Jerry.

     
  35. Tammy

    January 13, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Sara: come on…think…you can’t come up with something better than that? Don’t you THINK that there are people out there that breed, fatten and then sell horse to slaughter for profit? THINK SARA, think!!

     
    • Denise

      January 13, 2012 at 4:48 pm

      Your point is? Cryptic post alert.

       
  36. lisathevet

    January 13, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Awesome!!! thank you Jerry. It will be interesting to see how this pans out!!! I have yet to hear a legitimate pro-slaughter argument!

     
  37. Denise

    January 13, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    I follow the racing industry. Although the lack of internal US slaughter (and we all know they went and still go over borders before the last three sh*tholes closed)….prices are on the rise at the Keeneland auction (among others). Mind you, I’m not a supporter of over breed, break, discard, maximize excellerated depreciation….but PRICES are up for equines in certain markets.

    Ask a pro slaughter about that.

    Mr Finch, I’ll donate $1000.00 to you if you find that qualified proslaughter supporter. I just want a letter from you, signed by your staff saying thank you for supporting the “search”. A few pics would be nice too.

    I promise.

    BTW…the gift will hurt me (a te’ch), help the equines and REALLY hurt the killers. Life is good.

     
    • Jerry Finch

      January 13, 2012 at 3:44 pm

      I’m seriously thinking about RAISING the reward!

       
      • Denise

        January 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm

        You just got half of the match…more will be in 2 weeks….do what you think is best.

         
      • Jerry Finch

        January 13, 2012 at 4:13 pm

        Thank you. This should be very interesting – if any of them respond. I’m still waiting.

         
  38. MorganG

    January 13, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Can you publish some of the attempts at winning the prize money Jerry? I do agree, your money is safe to aid the ecomony by spending it on the welfare of live horses.

     
    • Jerry Finch

      January 13, 2012 at 3:28 pm

      Absolutely, especially if I receive any with a minimal degree of sanity. The pro-slaughter people are jumping all over themselves in fits of rage because of, I Quit.” I fully expect them to be foaming at the mouth in fits of rage over this one.

      One non-intelligent response is already in – saying most of the population of the US lives in cities, so where do we have room to put 100,000 horses if the slaughterhouses close. That’s a complete FAIL.

       
      • MorganG

        January 13, 2012 at 3:32 pm

        That non-intelligent response is as irritating as nails on chalkboards. Besides don’t they know all us horse lovers are so rich that we would just buy them their own condo conversions and put them up. Come on guys ya gotta do a lot better than that.

         
  39. Laundalee

    January 13, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    How about we start a fund and RAISE the amount offered. Then when/if no one can do this, the raised funds go to your horse rescue. I will gladly donate to that fund. I am sure no one can do what you ask either.

     
    • Suzanne Moore

      January 14, 2012 at 11:00 am

      I would donate to such a Fund. I don’t have $1,000.00 but I can contribute something. Let me know if you’re accepting donations!

       
  40. Janet Ferguson

    January 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Need I remind anyone who remains cognizant (it means, aware) of this nasty horse slaughter business — please please have your blood pressure checked regularly!

    And remember — the medications are not that expensive! (For blood pressure!)

    Just a note to keep the drums rolling — take care!

     
  41. judye822

    January 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    At the moment, all I can say is I LOVE Jerry Finch and couldn’t pick him out of a crowd of two!!!

     
  42. Sara

    January 13, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    I have a question for you:

    people give you such reasons as…
    “I have 30 horses and I can’t feed them all…”
    “…to have a vet out to put her down, it’s gonna cost me $1,800 and I still have no place to bury her!”
    You don’t accept these reasons, yet you offer no solution for these people.
    You admit that 130,000 horses were slaughtered last year… does your sanctuary have space to take on this many animals EVERY YEAR?

    Would it matter to you if horse meat was not used for humans? Or if we could find a way for slaughter to be humane?

    You deny that there are more horses than homes for them to go to, then why can’t rescues take in all the horses that end up at slaughter?

     
    • Jerry Finch

      January 13, 2012 at 3:08 pm

      Sara – 130,000 horses were slaughtered last year only because that is the number that the EU market wanted to buy, not because there were 130,000 excess horses. There were NEVER 130,000 excess horses. The pro-slaughter folks simply make that number up, which pretty much exactly matches what the EU needs to buy. Does that make sense to you?

      Believe it or not, there are not 130,000 horses standing in some pasture with signs around their neck that says, “Unwanted.”

      “Supply and Demand” is the base market principle. At one point only 46,000 horses were slaughtered in a year – because that’s all the market wanted.

      Come on, Sara, think.

       
      • sherriey

        January 13, 2012 at 7:33 pm

        yes…supply and demand. if any of the bloggers read one of my past posts they would know this as a fast…the AQHA, for example, (I love to use them b/c they are jerks!), promotes breeding. it is run by big breeders! these breeders breed hundreds of mares a year! who buys all those foals, yearlings, 2 yr olds…that didn’t or even did meet the breeders expectations? hello….the market has a limited buyer option here. everyone in the US does not buy a horse a yr! so where do all the culls go????? let me answer that question…again…to the killer buyer! he pulls up in his huge truck/trailer and they are all loaded in mass! the check is handed over to the breeder and off they go…to the SLAUGHTER house holding pens!
        supply and demand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        if there were no demand of horse meat….the supply would go away…on its own….duh!

        as to having 30 horses and not being able to feed them…how in hell did they ever get 30 horses to begin with?
        were they breeders that just bred everything every yr? and had no buyers lines up?
        so the herd just got bigger and bigger and bigger….until they were too much to afford?
        OMG….these people need to learn about birth control! and stay away from all animals!!!!!
        reminds me of the idiots in the city that breed Pitt-Bulls by the hundreds and the SPCA is so over crowded with Pitts, that you can’t find any other breed in there to adopt!
        get real, stop breeding!!!

         
      • Joan Watson

        January 13, 2012 at 11:02 pm

        Mr. Finch, I don’t want your $1,000 but I do want to point out that on your own website, you said the following about the outrageous number of excess horses out there. I am respectfully bringing this up to you because of the post above this one where it sounds to me like you are stating that there is not an excess horse problem. If I am reading this wrong, please correct me.

        This is the direct quote from your website that is confusing me with this issue….

        “But the reality is that there are too many horses. The sanctuaries are full, the rescues can’t find homes for them and few can support their increasing medical cost.

        When Habitat for Horses first started, we took in horses no matter what their condition. Other people’s problems became our own, to the point that we were overwhelmed with expenses. We, like many other rescues, learned the lesson fast – you have to draw the line. Many of those first horses are still with us, long forgotten by their owners. The support they promised faded away and we depend on others to donate enough to pay for their upkeep.

        When you’re trying to find a home for your old, crippled horse, please understand why rescues have to say “no”, why the sanctuaries are full, why there is no room anywhere for them. That limp means they can’t be adopted. No one wants a horse that can’t see out of one eye. Sure he’s wonderful, but you can’t expect someone else to take on your expense and his problems, not when there are thousands of others asking us to do the same thing.”

         
      • Jerry Finch

        January 14, 2012 at 7:24 am

        Joan – So as you understand it, what I am saying is that we need to slaughter all the horses for which we cannot find homes? Sorry, you missed the point entirely. If you keep reading, I discuss the fact that, “No one will ever love your horse as much as you do,” and suggest humane euthanasia as an alternative. Unlike the AAEP I do not believe that humane euthanasia includes a captive bolt. Humane euthanasia does include putting them down on your property and in your arms.

         
    • Suzanne Moore

      January 13, 2012 at 11:19 pm

      Sara, I personally know many wanted horses that went to slaughter because they were either stolen or purchased by kill buyers under false pretenses. This was the unending nightmare when I and my horses were in Texas while the two slaughter plants there were still in operation.

      Many horses that are slaughtered are not unwanted at all. Also, the kill buyers can afford to out bid legitimate buyers at auctions, so someone who wanted that horse and would have given him a good home doesn’t have a chance at the best horses because those are the very ones the killers really go after. Young, healthy and fat. A perfectly good horse that would have no trouble finding a good home is brutally slaughtered – for PROFIT.

       
      • Betty Hirte

        January 15, 2012 at 1:31 pm

        I didn’t realize lot of horses that went to slaughter last year were stolen. I knew of this problem years ago and it still exists! That is terrible ! People are just doing this for profit because they are greedy! That sickens me!

         
  43. Marge Mullen

    January 13, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Oh Jerry must be drinking some Wrangler Ice Tea!!

    LOL, Marge

     
  44. Sue Byrd

    January 13, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Tongue in cheek-As many of the horses slaughtered have been filled with wormers, bute, etc. at some point in their lives, hopefully some of the horse meat eaters would be adversely affected by the consumption of said meat. That said, there is no good reason for horse slaughter. But I am not surprised anymore by the ignorance and cruelty of people towards animals.

     
  45. Margaret

    January 13, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    I think you safely be rest assured that your money will stay in YOUR bank account! Well maybe not for long–because there is feed, vet and farrier etc. But I don’t think anyone can come up with “We Need Slaughter” for blah blah reason.

    Oh and saying We Need Slaughter to save our economy??? That’s like the BLM blaming the horse for drinking all the water and why you don’t need to refill the water bucket! That one still has me laughing. I mean I feel for the horses but really???? that excuse just doesn’t hold water (pun quite intended!).

     

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